There is a loss of hope expressed on 280:66-68.How are these lines similar to the loss of hope Victor feels in Frankenstein?If there is a point in the story at which Victor loses hope, where would that be and why?
In this lines it states "but torture without end..." and that is exactly what Victor and the creature both face. They both seek to destroy each other and this is complete torture to both of them because it's the only reason that they both stay alive. These lines also say "hope never comes..." and that is relevant to both Victor and the creature because there was no hope for either of them. Victor loses hope in the creature when he finds out that the creature really did kill William. (pg 146; para 3) I compassionated him , and sometimes felt a wish to console him ; but when I looked upon him, when I saw the filthy mass that moved and talked, my heart sickened and my feelings were altered to those of horror and hatred." This is where Victor loses all hope because he can never feel any compassion for the creature. Victor can never feel any positive emotions towards the creature.
I agree with Tonya when she says that both are tortured and hopeless. The creature tortured Victor until there was nobody left to murder, and now it is Victors turn to torture the creature. After everything that Victor and the creature have gone through, there is no hope. I disagree with Tonya at the point which Victor loses hope. Even with the death of William there is hope. Victor can make the creature a companion and everything could change. However; after beginning to make the second creature Victor realizes he can't do it, and destroys it. "...the threat I had heard weighed on my thoughts, but I did not reflect that a voluntary act of mine could avert it." (155; ch. 20). This is the point at which all hope is lost because Victor knows that nothing he could do will change the actions of the creature. From that moment on fate was already determined and Victor just had to wait for it to play out.
Tonya beings up an interesting point. Both Victor and creature are left in a state of limbo. Neither can die before the other dies. Creature needs to be chased by Victor, because it is the closest creature has ever come to Victor’s love. Victor needs to face the reason of his vengeance before he can happily face death. Neither have a true reason for living. They are both on a lonely path that only ever leads to hatred and violence. Victor’s hope diminishes when his family starts to be killed. His family kept him grounded and stable. He can not find family in creature, because of both his treacherous appearance and actions. Both he and creature are left in a difficult dilemma with no hope of salvation.
I agree with Haley in the point where I think there was still some hope left after William had died, there was so much story left that he can't just give up on hope. In life we don't decide to give up at a young age and never fulfill our dreams. I think Victor thinks that he can change the creature. I think that the creature and Victor are almost the same person in a way of loneliness and hatred.
When Victor first finds out how his brother William died he lost hope in the creature. Before then Victor wasn't sure what his creation was capable of. He also didn't know if the creature had isolated himself somewhere where he couldn't harm anyone, or if he was causing chaos in a populated area. When Victor learns that William was chocked to death by large hands and then found the creature following him, he lost hope in finding good in his creature. In chapter 10 Victor knew from then on that the creature was a danger to mankind was going to be a menace in Victor's own life.
I think before the creature killed William, Victor tried to forget that he ever created such a monster. Victor loses hope that he could live a normal life after he sees the creature the night of his return home. I disagree that Victor saw any good in the creature after he was created. After seeing the creature animated for the first time, Victor screamed out in horror. At that moment, I believe Victor lost the hope of the creature becoming anything good. After Justine died, Victor knew he had to fix this problem and he lost hope of fixing it when Elizabeth died. Victor lost hope in the creature early on, but lost hope in fixing his mistakes later on
I agree with Kaitlynn in that William's death is a turning point for Victor. Up until that point, he had been hoping he would never see or hear from the creature again. He hoped it would go far away, and never do anything worth notice. Victor lost all of this hope when William died. He realized the creature was going to be present in his life, and would continue to harm his family and friends if he didn't comply to the creature's demands. At this point Victor lost hope of a happy ending, because fear of another loss would be present until the situation was resolved.
Victor feels like he has no control over the situation at hand. The creature keeps murdering his loved ones and he can’t seem to put a stop to it. Victor has lost hope in the creature. Victor wishes the creature would just leave him alone and live in solitude, but he keeps coming back. The creature is a constant reminder of his mistakes. Victor lost hope after Elizabeth was murdered. On his honeymoon, Victor had a hope of being happy with Elizabeth at the cottage. After Elizabeth died, Victor was accused of killing Henry Clerval. He didn’t try to fight the accusation, he just accepted it and took a prison cell. He resigned to his fate and knew that he had to kill the creature for revenge.
You have to keep in mind though, that Victor has had several chances to fix this himself. He could have accepted the creature for what he was, created the she-creature, or killed his own creature. Instead he chose to do nothing but run and thus can be the only one at fault for the tragedies around him. This is why I think Victor lost his hope much earlier in the book. The moment he created the creature and fled into the night, is when I believe he lost his hope. He realized what he had done and thus went into a state of mental peril for months, forcing Henry to take care of him. Anything after that is a result from his actions.
I do agree with you I believe that Victor thinks he has no control over the actions of the creature. Victor doesn't want to have to deal with the creature.
As Maddie said, the creature stalks Victor and ceases any happiness that Victor may encounter. The creature destroys everything Victor holds dear and Victor loses hope of ever escaping the creature's wrath. Another important aspect of loss of hope that Maddie doesn't touch upon is the hopelessness of the creature. After being outcasted by humanity, the creature loses hope of being loved until he begs Victor to make him a mate. He loses hope again when Victor dismembers his second creation. Contrary to Maddie's belief, I feel that Victor received hope after Elizabeth's death. I feel that he had a new goal of destroying the monster and this goal caused some form of hope that he may one day succeed.
When the creature killed Henry is when Victor really lost hope. Victor showed his lost hope by deciding not to create the second creature. Up to that point he wasn't sure what the creature was capable of doing and this proved that Victor was "trying" to stand up for what he thought was right. The creature's true colors were revealed when he killed Henry in an outburst of not getting what he wanted. I feel Victor was trying to hang on to one last hope of the creature turning out good and being a decent individual.
Henry died because Victor didn't create the second monster, because he threw the body parts in the water. At this point I feel that Victor deserved what he was getting. He created something, abandoned it, and then ignored it's cry for help. In turn, he got things taken away from him that he loved and wanted, such as Elizabeth, because why should he have what he couldn't give the creature? Why should he have what the creature couldn't have? Victor was only concerned about himself; making sure he had what he wanted.
I agree with Kaitlyn. Victor truly loses hope when the creature kills Henry. Henry was Victor’s best friend, and the creature killed him. Victor is accused of this murder. Also the creature’s threat of killing Elizabeth is still in the back of his mind.
Did Victor really have hope in the creature after he abandoned him? He had good intentions for the creature but after he was alive he freaked out and wanted nothing to do with him. I would say that Victor maybe loses hope when he finds out that creature won't let Victor have a happy life until creature is happy.
In the beginning when the creature had killed William I think that Victor still had hope that he might stop killing, maybe it was just an accident or Victor may have ignored the fact that this creature could be capable of killing. I think even when the creature told Victor that he will be with him on his wedding night scares him. He thought his only hope of saving Elizabeth was to marry her. The lost hope is shown when Henry is killed, throughout the whole story you could tell something bad was going to happen to Henry. Along with Henry he lost hope when Elizabeth was killed. After all the killing he decided not to fight just to accept fate because in a way it was all of his fault.
Victor has not taken enough responsibility for his actions to have ever desired hope in the first place. As balanced as Paradise Lost and Frankenstein are, it is a clear flaw in Victor. He may become deflated or upset about the progression of his story, but at no point should he have ever had hope. If hope had existed at one point, it would have been immediately lost at the birth of the creature. That is when Victor loses his faith in his scientific discovery, if you can call it hope.
It says the Devil is in a state of eternal torture and is far removed from God and the light of Heaven, this is much the same as Victor. As soon as Elizabeth dies Victor loses all hope. This is the last straw because she is the person that Victor cares about most in his life. From that point on he is in a state of inner torture and guilt. He feels horrible about all the deaths he has caused. He is also being physically tortured by hunger and cold. He is "far removed from God and the light of Heaven" which in this case is his family and society.
In this lines it states "but torture without end..." and that is exactly what Victor and the creature both face. They both seek to destroy each other and this is complete torture to both of them because it's the only reason that they both stay alive. These lines also say "hope never comes..." and that is relevant to both Victor and the creature because there was no hope for either of them. Victor loses hope in the creature when he finds out that the creature really did kill William. (pg 146; para 3) I compassionated him , and sometimes felt a wish to console him ; but when I looked upon him, when I saw the filthy mass that moved and talked, my heart sickened and my feelings were altered to those of horror and hatred." This is where Victor loses all hope because he can never feel any compassion for the creature. Victor can never feel any positive emotions towards the creature.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Tonya when she says that both are tortured and hopeless. The creature tortured Victor until there was nobody left to murder, and now it is Victors turn to torture the creature. After everything that Victor and the creature have gone through, there is no hope. I disagree with Tonya at the point which Victor loses hope. Even with the death of William there is hope. Victor can make the creature a companion and everything could change. However; after beginning to make the second creature Victor realizes he can't do it, and destroys it. "...the threat I had heard weighed on my thoughts, but I did not reflect that a voluntary act of mine could avert it." (155; ch. 20). This is the point at which all hope is lost because Victor knows that nothing he could do will change the actions of the creature. From that moment on fate was already determined and Victor just had to wait for it to play out.
DeleteTonya beings up an interesting point. Both Victor and creature are left in a state of limbo. Neither can die before the other dies. Creature needs to be chased by Victor, because it is the closest creature has ever come to Victor’s love. Victor needs to face the reason of his vengeance before he can happily face death. Neither have a true reason for living. They are both on a lonely path that only ever leads to hatred and violence. Victor’s hope diminishes when his family starts to be killed. His family kept him grounded and stable. He can not find family in creature, because of both his treacherous appearance and actions. Both he and creature are left in a difficult dilemma with no hope of salvation.
DeleteI agree with Haley in the point where I think there was still some hope left after William had died, there was so much story left that he can't just give up on hope. In life we don't decide to give up at a young age and never fulfill our dreams. I think Victor thinks that he can change the creature. I think that the creature and Victor are almost the same person in a way of loneliness and hatred.
DeleteWhen Victor first finds out how his brother William died he lost hope in the creature. Before then Victor wasn't sure what his creation was capable of. He also didn't know if the creature had isolated himself somewhere where he couldn't harm anyone, or if he was causing chaos in a populated area. When Victor learns that William was chocked to death by large hands and then found the creature following him, he lost hope in finding good in his creature. In chapter 10 Victor knew from then on that the creature was a danger to mankind was going to be a menace in Victor's own life.
ReplyDeleteI think before the creature killed William, Victor tried to forget that he ever created such a monster. Victor loses hope that he could live a normal life after he sees the creature the night of his return home. I disagree that Victor saw any good in the creature after he was created. After seeing the creature animated for the first time, Victor screamed out in horror. At that moment, I believe Victor lost the hope of the creature becoming anything good. After Justine died, Victor knew he had to fix this problem and he lost hope of fixing it when Elizabeth died. Victor lost hope in the creature early on, but lost hope in fixing his mistakes later on
DeleteI agree with Kaitlynn in that William's death is a turning point for Victor. Up until that point, he had been hoping he would never see or hear from the creature again. He hoped it would go far away, and never do anything worth notice. Victor lost all of this hope when William died. He realized the creature was going to be present in his life, and would continue to harm his family and friends if he didn't comply to the creature's demands. At this point Victor lost hope of a happy ending, because fear of another loss would be present until the situation was resolved.
DeleteVictor feels like he has no control over the situation at hand. The creature keeps murdering his loved ones and he can’t seem to put a stop to it. Victor has lost hope in the creature. Victor wishes the creature would just leave him alone and live in solitude, but he keeps coming back. The creature is a constant reminder of his mistakes. Victor lost hope after Elizabeth was murdered. On his honeymoon, Victor had a hope of being happy with Elizabeth at the cottage. After Elizabeth died, Victor was accused of killing Henry Clerval. He didn’t try to fight the accusation, he just accepted it and took a prison cell. He resigned to his fate and knew that he had to kill the creature for revenge.
ReplyDeleteYou have to keep in mind though, that Victor has had several chances to fix this himself. He could have accepted the creature for what he was, created the she-creature, or killed his own creature. Instead he chose to do nothing but run and thus can be the only one at fault for the tragedies around him. This is why I think Victor lost his hope much earlier in the book. The moment he created the creature and fled into the night, is when I believe he lost his hope. He realized what he had done and thus went into a state of mental peril for months, forcing Henry to take care of him. Anything after that is a result from his actions.
DeleteI do agree with you I believe that Victor thinks he has no control over the actions of the creature. Victor doesn't want to have to deal with the creature.
DeleteAs Maddie said, the creature stalks Victor and ceases any happiness that Victor may encounter. The creature destroys everything Victor holds dear and Victor loses hope of ever escaping the creature's wrath. Another important aspect of loss of hope that Maddie doesn't touch upon is the hopelessness of the creature. After being outcasted by humanity, the creature loses hope of being loved until he begs Victor to make him a mate. He loses hope again when Victor dismembers his second creation. Contrary to Maddie's belief, I feel that Victor received hope after Elizabeth's death. I feel that he had a new goal of destroying the monster and this goal caused some form of hope that he may one day succeed.
DeleteWhen the creature killed Henry is when Victor really lost hope. Victor showed his lost hope by deciding not to create the second creature. Up to that point he wasn't sure what the creature was capable of doing and this proved that Victor was "trying" to stand up for what he thought was right. The creature's true colors were revealed when he killed Henry in an outburst of not getting what he wanted. I feel Victor was trying to hang on to one last hope of the creature turning out good and being a decent individual.
ReplyDeleteHenry died because Victor didn't create the second monster, because he threw the body parts in the water. At this point I feel that Victor deserved what he was getting. He created something, abandoned it, and then ignored it's cry for help. In turn, he got things taken away from him that he loved and wanted, such as Elizabeth, because why should he have what he couldn't give the creature? Why should he have what the creature couldn't have? Victor was only concerned about himself; making sure he had what he wanted.
DeleteI agree with Kaitlyn. Victor truly loses hope when the creature kills Henry. Henry was Victor’s best friend, and the creature killed him. Victor is accused of this murder. Also the creature’s threat of killing Elizabeth is still in the back of his mind.
DeleteDid Victor really have hope in the creature after he abandoned him? He had good intentions for the creature but after he was alive he freaked out and wanted nothing to do with him. I would say that Victor maybe loses hope when he finds out that creature won't let Victor have a happy life until creature is happy.
ReplyDeleteIn the beginning when the creature had killed William I think that Victor still had hope that he might stop killing, maybe it was just an accident or Victor may have ignored the fact that this creature could be capable of killing. I think even when the creature told Victor that he will be with him on his wedding night scares him. He thought his only hope of saving Elizabeth was to marry her. The lost hope is shown when Henry is killed, throughout the whole story you could tell something bad was going to happen to Henry. Along with Henry he lost hope when Elizabeth was killed. After all the killing he decided not to fight just to accept fate because in a way it was all of his fault.
ReplyDeleteVictor has not taken enough responsibility for his actions to have ever desired hope in the first place. As balanced as Paradise Lost and Frankenstein are, it is a clear flaw in Victor. He may become deflated or upset about the progression of his story, but at no point should he have ever had hope. If hope had existed at one point, it would have been immediately lost at the birth of the creature. That is when Victor loses his faith in his scientific discovery, if you can call it hope.
ReplyDeleteIt says the Devil is in a state of eternal torture and is far removed from God and the light of Heaven, this is much the same as Victor. As soon as Elizabeth dies Victor loses all hope. This is the last straw because she is the person that Victor cares about most in his life. From that point on he is in a state of inner torture and guilt. He feels horrible about all the deaths he has caused. He is also being physically tortured by hunger and cold. He is "far removed from God and the light of Heaven" which in this case is his family and society.
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